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Historic Preservation Award

Awards in 2015

Service Awards

1) Sheriff Timothy Cameron, Grace Mary Brady, Carol Moody and Linda Reno nominated by Scott Lawrence for the book entitled, St. Mary’s County Sheriffs, 375 Years, published August, 2014.

2) Laschelle McKay, Maria Fleming and Carolyn Laray nominated by Grace Mary Brady for forming and spear-heading a Committee of more than 20 individuals for the 3-day event held in Leonardtown called Raiders and Invaders.

3) Jeanne Pirtle, nominated by Linda Reno, for writing an Arcadia Book about Sotterley Plantation entitled, Sotterley Plantation (Images of America).

4) Nancy D. Wolfe of Chaptico, nominated by Grace Mary Brady for forming the Wicomico Valley Foundation of Southern Maryland, which preserved 850 acres along the Wicomico River in St. Mary’s and 750 acres extending into Charles County (Allen’s Fresh).

5) David Brown, nominated by Carol Moody, for research work published on the Plater Papers, which studied Sotterley Plantation Enterprise as a whole. George Plater of Sotterley and Letters of George Plater (2014).

Lifetime Achievement Awards

6) Edward Lawrence (posthumously) nominated by Carol Moody for more than thirty years of volunteer services on behalf of Tudor Hall, home of the St. Mary’s County Historical Society.

7) Dr. Timothy Riordan, nominated by Silas Hurry for more than thirty years of unraveling the archaeological history and mysteries that are Historic St. Mary’s City. He was also recognized for his willingness to educate and inspire numerous generations of young archaeologists who were enrolled in the HSMC Field School in Historical Archaeology.

Awards in 2014

1) Long Look For Come at Last Cemetery Identification Project, nominated by Rob Gibbs, Mr. Bernard Byrne of Conrad Associates (Pete Conrad from Beavue and Charles Conrad from Pasadena)

2) Wanda Schuhart nominated by the St. Mary’s County Historical Society and Linda Reno – accepting on behalf of the family is Wiley Schuhart.

3) Dr. James Gibb nominated by Scott Lawrence and Dr. Patricia Samford for restoration of St. Nicholas Cemetery located at Patuxent River Naval Air Station – accepting on behalf of Dr. Gibb is Carol Moody.

4) Louanne C. Bailey nominated by Susan Wolfe at the St. Mary’s County Historical Society for a lifetime achievement award for St. Clement’s Island Museum and Blackistone Island. The entire family came.

5) Michael McCauley nominated by Grace Mary Brady for writing the JUSTICE ROLLS DOWN BOOK.

a) Sarah Butler White. A participant in Phase Two of the St. Joseph's Project, Sarah shared her story of making blocks using a Sears home block-making machine. The blocks for her house were used for the foundation and wood framing for the rest of the house. Sarah struggled through many challenges and sacrifices to get the house finished. She raised eight children there and had a flower garden that she loved.

b) Philip Butler. Oldest child of Sarah, he identified where the barracks houses were located around the Morganza and Oakville area and introduced the author to families of many of the participants. He carried the self-help tradition of St. Joseph's Project over to his generation when he became president of the first group to build at King and Kennedy estates.

c) Deacon James Somerville. Represents a family who provided leadership to the project. His grandfather provided a lot for a family of parents and thirteen children to build a barracks house. His uncle, Mr. Johnny Somerville, a farmer and businessman, was a leading board member and financial supporter of the project, who also managed the saw mill located at St. Joseph's Park. Deacon Somerville also arranged interviews with participating families.

d) Charles Herbert. The grandson of William Scanlon Herbert who first suggested using surplus WWII barracks for housing and who was president of the St. Joseph's Welfare Club for twenty-five years. Charles currently serves as president of the Oakville Community Center, Inc., the successor of St. Joseph's Welfare Club, serving the community continuously for sixty-seven years.

e) Geraldine Medley-June. The daughter of Leroy and Christine Medley, who built the second house in St. Joseph's Park. Christine served as an officer of St. Joseph's Welfare Club and provided a spirited account of the project from her bed in St. Mary's Nursing Center. Geraldine now owns and resides in this house where she grew up.

f) Elizabeth and Gussie Herbert. Elizabeth is the daughter of barracks house builders Rose and Richard Forbes. She provided a moving account of her family's life before and after their barracks house. Gussie and his father hand dug the well that provided water to the house. Elizabeth and Gussie moved into the house after Rose and Richard died and raised fourteen children there. It has now passed on to one of their sons and his family, the third generation now to live there, while Elizabeth and Gussie occupy a house nearby in St. Joseph's Park.

g) Helene Holt. Helene is the daughter of William Scanlon Herbert. She gave a stirring account of her father's struggle against a variety of obstacles as he preserved, side by side with Father Michael Kavanagh, in providing successful leadership to the project. Helene and her husband, Kelly, built a barracks house on land her father gave them near Clements. Helene still lives there in a house that is virtually the same in appearance as the day she moved in sixty-five years ago.

h) William and Louise Holt. William grew up in a barracks house built by his father Mach Holt. As a young teenager he and another young man brought two giant Belgian work horses donated by General Davidson of Cremona farm over to St. Joseph's Park where they were used to snake trees out of the woods to the saw mill. He related how this turned into an adventure when the horse got unruly and how, later on, he acquired an abandoned barracks house, moved it to a site he acquired from family, and reconstructed and expanded with his wife working along beside him.

i) Agnes Whilhelmina Blackwell is the daughter of Alice and Wilson Marshall, the founding secretary and treasurer of St. Joseph's Welfare Club. She and her sisters preserved their mother's meticulous, typed and bound minutes of 104 meetings of the Club and made them available for research. These real time accounts of the struggles and successes of the housing project were crucial to the telling of its story.
There were other families who were part of the Barracks Housing project, who were not able to come to the Awards Ceremony.

Awards in 2013

1) Dr. Julia King receiving a service award for all her work in publishing the Slack Water series.

2) Dr. and Mrs. James Clifton receiving a service award for the Foxwood Farm Archaeological Exploration project.

3) Admiral Gus Eggert receiving a project award for his work at the Patuxent River Naval Air Museum Gus’s son Frank accepted the award on behalf of the family.

4) Mrs. Elizabeth “Beth’ C McCoy to receive a posthumously lifetime achievement award for years of historic preservation…..her daughter Muffin Padukiewicz and Mark McCoy (her son) to accept on behalf of the family.

5) St. Mary’s County Historical Society to receive a service award for 60 years of publishing the Chronicles of St. Mary’s.

6) Rob Gibbs to receive a service award for more than six years of work on the St. Mary’s County Cemetery Project.

7) Jimmy Dicus to receive a service award for his work at Summerseat Farm.

8) Dr. Gordon Blackistone Hughes and Mrs. Myra Hughes to receive a project award for the restoration of River Springs.

Awards in 2012

1) Submittal by George Donely nominating Mrs. Francis (Tiny) Taylor and the parishioners of St. Ignatius Church for a preservation project award for restoration work performed by the Society for the Preservation of St. Ignatius Church.

2) Submittal by Kathy Bailey nominating John Sothoron and the Charlotte Hall School Alumni Association for a preservation project award for interpreting the story of the Charlotte Hall School and preserving the artifacts which are displayed at the White House in Charlotte Hall.

3) Submittal by Grace Mary Brady nominating Silas Hurry (HSMC); Nancy Dodge (Cremona); Bill Cullins (Cullins Trucking and Mount Chance Farm) and Wayne Guy and sons, (Guy’s Firewood) for a preservation service award for contribution to the “Historic Barns of Maryland” Public Television Show.

4) Submittal by Rob Gibbs nominating Sotterley Garden Guild (Robert Alrdidge, Chair) for a lifetime achievement award for planning, preparing and maintaining the historic gardens and sundry horticulture features that make Sotterley the premier plantation on the Patuxent watershed since 1976.

5) Submittal by George Matisick nominating Father Brian Sanderfoot and the parishioners of St. Francis Xavier Church for the restoration of historic oil painting of St. Francis Xavier; for raising funds to preserve and survey the cemetery of St. Francis Xavier Church founded in 1661; and other preservation efforts.

Awards in 2011

Service Awards

Three individuals have been selected for historic preservation service awards.

1) So. MD Regional Library, nominated by Victoria Falcon, Changing Landscapes in Southern Maryland Book.

SO MD is full of fascinating stories so 49 recorded oral histories were conducted from individuals who grew up on or around the water, as well as from those who have spent their lives farming or raising tobacco. There are also stories from “newcomers” to the area and from those who illustrate the way the community has changed. All the narratives included in this book truly represent the diverse interests in Southern Maryland.

2) Grace Mary Brady, Phil Shire and others were nominated by Dr. Regina Faden, I’m Goin Down County, An Architectural Journey through St. Mary’s County book.

This book was funded through a grant by the Maryland Historical Trust with matching funds from St. Mary’s County Government. It was published in April 2010. It richly illustrates and describes the story of the county’s architectural legacy in a manner that makes the topic approachable for residents of the county and scholars alike.

3) John Richard Knott, Sr., and John Mattingly nominated by Carol Moody for display pertaining to the life of Arthur Fenner Lee “Buck” Briscoe 1900 to 1988.

Mr. Knott, an admirer of Buck Briscoe, began collecting photos and gathering information about him with the goal of honoring one of St. Mary’s County’s most important individuals. Mr. Knott commissioned this special photographic display, constructed by John Mattingly, and made it available to the public.

Arthur Fenner Lee “Buck” Briscoe was the driving force behind the promotion of St. Mary’s County, MD. He used his great personality to reach out and connect with people of all walks of life. He delivered and personally presented five successive United States Presidents and Governors with Thanksgiving turkeys and oysters from St. Mary’s county, the “Land of Pleasant Living”. He advertised in all the surroundings states to draw fishing parties to our waters.

A larger than life individual, Buck Briscoe orchestrated many county projects, including the establishment of Point Lookout State Park, the planting of Crepe Myrtles as road beautification along Rt. 5, and donated the first $1,000 to establish the St. Mary’s County Oyster Festival. His famous yellow straw hat declared him to be “Mr. St. Mary’s County.” He was essentially the head of tourism for the county before it officially became a position.

Project Awards

Five entities have been selected to receive historic preservation project awards.

1) Sotterley Plantation, nominated by Nancy Easterling, for restoration work to the visitor’s center.

In December, 2009, the basement collapsed under the Museum Shop. Thanks to BAE Systems, Maryland Historic Trust, Maryland Heritage Area Authority, Sheila Gibbons Hiebert, Ellen Zanhiser, Dennis Kund, and others worked very hard to restore and save the Visitors Center. So now, when visitors come to Sotterley they can learn more about the site and its rich history and legacy.

2) St. Mary’s County Historical Society, nominated by Susan Wolfe, for restoration of the interior of Tudor Hall.

SMCHS has completed 2 of 3 major renovations of Tudor Hall. Exterior work included replacement of a cedar roof, guttering, chimney repointment and lighting for its gardens (Mr. Lawrence).

A bond bill supported the restoration of the interior of the first floor of Tudor Hall…thanks to diligent care of James Harvey Morgan; Classy Décor; Queentree Management; Minor Buckler; Dean Lumber and Supply; Downs Plumbing and Septic; and Miedzinski Movers.

3) Scott Lawrence, nominated by Linda Reno, for completion of the restoration of St. Nicholas Cemetery at PAX.

Since 2003 Scott Lawrence has raised funds to recover and restore the tomb stones at St. Nicholas Cemetery at Pax River. Dr. James G. Gibb; Booz, Allen and Hamilton; Linda Reno and others supported his work by contributing to his endeavors.

Two of the earlier stones belonged to Thomas Griffin, a Revolutionary War soldier, who died in 1792 and his wife, Pricscilla Horn who died in 1782.

Scott recovered and restored a total of 214 headstones and more than 100 footstones.

4) Chris and Kathy Bailey, nominated by Grace Mary Brady, for restoration of the exterior of historic home and cottage.

Chris and Kathy Bailey restored the Cheseldine House, which was built in 1904 by Captain Kelly Cheseldine, a local boat builder and waterman. Capt. Cheseldine is credited for being the inventor of the Potomac River dory boat.

The exterior of the Captain Cheseldine House was repaired and restored as well as the exterior renovations to the Robert Cheseldine Cottage last year.

Chris Bailey is the great grandson of Capt. Cheseldine. He and his wife Kathy, offer this beautiful water front site for small outdoor weddings. Proceeds from the weddings continue to pay for restoration work to the Capt. Cheseldine property.

5) St. Peter Claver Catholic Church and McKenna Hall Museum, nominated by Unified Committee for African American Contributions, Janice Walthour and Claudette Bennett, for creation of a permanent exhibit promoting African American history of the Church.

The HPC received numerous pages of renovations, restorations and creation of a St. Peter Claver Catholic Church Museum not for profit.

St. Peter Claver School, 83-year old building was once slated for demolition. This very active group oversaw the transformation of the old school into a museum starting in 1980. In 1984, the old grade school was formerly dedicated to the memory of Father Horace McKenna.

In 2002, a Restoration and Renovation Committee embarked on an ambitious renovation project with the idea of preserving the history of the school house through the creation of a permanent museum space.

The Committee has hosted school tours for students to learn about black history. This museum has increased people’s awareness that the whole of St. Peter Claver Church is a notable presence in Southern Maryland. It is significant as the work of a nationally recognized architect and as a landmark of African-American History in St. Mary’s county. It is also listed as one of the African American Historic Sites of St. Mary’s County.

Lifetime Achievement Award

1) Dr. Roy Guyther - Nominated by the St. Mary’s County Historical Society – lifetime achievement

Dr. J. Roy Guyther was born in SMC on July 31, 1920. He attended the U of MD School of Medicine and has been a much loved family physician to the citizens of SMC for more than 42 years.

He was Captain of the Medical Corps in the Army during WW II. President Jimmy Carter bestowed the Family Doctor of the Year Award to him in 1978. Dr. Guyther’s achievements as a physician are well known, but his achievements as an avid historian are perhaps not as well known.

During the 60 year history of the St. Mary’s County Historical Society, he has been a regular contributor of fascinating articles to the Chronicles of St. Mary’s. He also wrote the following books that are sold throughout the county and on Amazon.com.

Charlotte Hall School 1774 to 1976 (1920;
Mechanicsville, the Story of our Village (1994);
Charlotte Hall, the Village (1997);
and Memoirs of a Country Doctor, St. Mary’s County Patients are Special Folks (1999).

He is relied upon by those doing historical research as the “font of historical knowledge”.

5) Dr. and Mrs. Jamie Boyd - Nominated by Kathy Bailey. Lifetime achievement award.

For a lifetime dedicated to the restoration and documentation of Ocean Hall. Dr. & Mrs. Boyd began their work in the early 1970s. Over the years they have preserved a late seventeenth century house investing their time and money to preserve this historic treasure.

Archaeology – The Boyds have taken great care in preserving several known archaeological sites on the property which are on display at the St. Clement’s Island Museum.

Maintenance of the farm and grounds – The Boyds have worked to maintain the grounds much as one would have seen them in the late seventeenth and eighteenth century..all while raising an active family.

Hog’s Island Sheep – The Boyds raised rare Hog Island Sheep on this property. Some of their sheep can be seen today on the grounds of Mt. Vernon in Virginia. In colonial times, these horned sheep were raised to make wool and provide lamb and mutton.

Ocean Hall – Dr. Boyd worked many years to compile a book on the history of the home and its architecture. The hope is this book may one day be published as it contains a wealth of historical information and would be valuable to those in education, history and architectural interests.

Awards in 2010

1) Harold Willard, nominating Mr. Adams for his work in St. Mary’s County documenting the history of baseball. Specifically, Fulfilling a Dream, Adams writes ‘Sandlot Sundays’.

2) Janice Walthours, Unified Committee for African American Contributions, and Mary Washington both nominated Meredith Taylor, preservation of black history, for writing, directing and producing WITH ALL DELIBERATE SPEED, One High School’s Story.

3) Senator Roy Dyson nominating Audrey Pratt, owner of Bard’s Field for preservation project award of historic site.

4) Cathy Bailey nominating Pete and Elizabeth (Betsy) Wiggington, restored historic home in Bushwood, for a preservation project award.

5) Cathy Bailey nominating Donald and Lucy Eaton for preservation project award for restoration of the Bushwood Post Office and Ellis Grist Mill – project completed last year in time to celebrate 100 year Anniversary for post office.

6) Mr. Robert Leonard Long, nominating Linda Davis Reno for preservation service award for genealogy work, National and local speaking, and the Maryland 400 in the Battle of Long Island, 1776. (Scott Lawrence to add)

7) Grace Mary Brady nominating Whit and Sarah Taylor Rogers for preservation project award for rehab of historic house.

8) Historic St. Mary’s City for its preservation and rehab of Mackall Barn.

Awards in 2009

1) John & Kimberly Cecil for restoration of the waterwheel at Cecil’s Mill.

2) David Roberts for documentation and inventory of cemeteries.

3) Father James Casciotti and Father Ryan with the Maryland Province Jesuits, Maryland Province of the Society of Jesus for land preservation. (state purchase of Kitt’s Point and Newtowne Neck)

4) Philip H. Dorsey for preservation and adaptive reuse award for St. Peter’s Chapel.

5) Christmas In April for new repairs on Drayden School and adding the it to the African American Historic Sites of St. Maryland’s County

Awards in 2008

1) Carol Moody, for being a volunteer archivist at the St. Mary’s County Historical society for nine years. Ms. Moody was also recognized for working as a part-time archivist for Historic St. Mary’s City and being staff at St. Mary’s College Library.

Awards in 2007

1) St. Nicholas Church on Patuxent River Naval Air Warfare Center received a preservation project award for restoration of the altar and construction of a display case for historical artifacts relating to the history of the church.

2) Marrick Homes received a preservation project award for moving and restoring a corn crib on its Leonardtown Farms subdivision on Route 5. The small barn was once part of a larger group of agricultural buildings on the property.

3) Professors Daniel Ingersoll and Kate Meatyard received a preservation project award for restoration of the 18th century home Clocker’s Fancy in St. Mary’s City. The house is owned by Historic St. Mary’s City, and besides use as a residence, it will be a “teaching tool” for students of archaeology and anthropology at St. Mary’s College.

4) The United Committee for African American Contributions received a service award for its production of the book, In Relentless Pursuit of an Education: African American Stories from a Century of Segregation, 1865 – 1967.

5) Peter Himmelheber received an award for his service as a member of the Historic Preservation Commission, docent at Historic St. Mary’s City, and for his participation in many other history-related activities including membership on the Board of the St. Mary’s County Historical Society. He is also well known for his expertise in the early land history of St. Mary’s County which he generously shares with other scholars.

Awards in 2006

1) Donny Hammett, Mike Bush & Dave Kelsey (Dept. of Natural Resources) for stewardship of the historic tobacco barns at Greenwell State Park. (service award)

2) John K. Parlett for leadership of the Transfer of Development Rights Committee.
(service award)

3) Community Affairs Committee and the Trustees of the St. Mary’s County Library for the reissue of One Hundred Years of Black Cooking in S t. Mary’s County.
(service award)

4) St. Andrew’s Episcopal Church represented by Rev. Paula Richardson; Karen Everett (grants committee); Tom Moore (restoration contractor); Don Schramm (Senior Warden); John McKendrew (Junior Warden) (project award).

Awards in 2005

1) Linda Davis Reno for her book, Images of St. Mary’s County. (project award)

2) Mr. and Mrs. Edwin Cole for the renovation of St. Mary’s City barn. (project award)

3) Michael and Carrie Kline, for their CDs, Born and Raised in Tobacco Fields and African American Sacred Singing. (project award)

4) Shawn and Richard Knott for their book, Memories of Sotterley (project award)

5) Lydia Wood for her service to the St. Clements Island and Piney Point Museum (service awards)

6) Kim Cullins for her service to the St. Clements Island and Piney Point Museum (service awards)

Awards in 2004

1) Ms. Christina Claggett of the St. Clements Island Potomac River Museum for her work cataloging the museum’s collection and for her educational programming for children. (service award)

2) Judge John Hanson Briscoe and Samuel Baldwin were nominated for a project award for relocating the 1850s Briscoe family tobacco barn to save it from demolition.
(project award)

3) Scott Lawrence for his work with the Navy to restore the tombstones at St. Nicholas Cemetery. (project award)

4) St. Aloysius Parish for their restoration of the new St. Aloysius Cemetery on Route 5. (project award)

5) Captain Steve Bailey for restoration of the Oyster Buy Boat, “Captain Samuel M. Bailey”. (project award)

6) St. Clement’s Island-Piney Point Museum for restoration of the Piney Point Lighthouse Keeper’s Quarters. (project award)

7) Ms. Lois Coryell, Ms. Lynn Rudigier, Ms. Karen Boyd, Ms. Mary Lou Troutman, Ms Sandy Shoemaker, for Tobacco to Tomcats, an illustrated children’s history book about St. Mary’s County. (project award)

8) Mr. Ron Russo, for the restoration of Abell House in Leonardtown. (project award)

Awards in 2003

1) Tommy and Tina Bowles for their corn maze (project award)

2) Joseph W. and Mary C. Wood for their corn maze (project award)

3) Edward Lawrence for his work on the gardens at Tudor Hall (project award)

4) Silas Hurry, Dorsey Bodeman, Mary Alves, Susan Zikel, Historic St. Mary’s City for “Once the Metropolis exhibit and book for Historic St. Mary’s City” (project award)

5) Martin Sullivan, Director of Historic St. Mary’s City for sheltering and stabilization of St. John’s Archaeological Site at St. Mary’s City. (project award)

6) Bill Schmalgemeyer for his model of Sotterley Plantation.

7) Unified Committee for Afro-American Contributions, St. Mary’s College and Jefferson Patterson Park and Museum for “Remember the Past, Look to the Future: African American Schools during a Century of Segregation”. (project award)

8) All Faith Episcopal Parish for restoration of All Faith Church (project award)

9) Patuxent Cultural Resources Group for restoration of Point Lookout Light Station (project award)

10) Mary Elizabeth Harmon for being an employee and volunteer with Sotterley Plantation from 1969 to 2003. (service award)

11) Lizette Day for being a volunteer at Sotterley since 1976. (service award)

12) Dionisios “Dennis” Kavadias, for Trinity Church Database grave location, St. Mary’s College Senior Project. (service award).

Awards in 2002

Project Category

1) Chesapeake Bay Field Lab established by Jackie Russell and Viki Volk-Russell.

2) Farm Life Museum of Southern Maryland established by Mr. and Mrs. John Parlett.

3) The Tide of Tolerance, a pageant depicting the history of St. Mary’s County presented at Chopticon High School c/o Mrs. Adair. Lord Proprietor’s Players

4) Protection of St. Mary’s County Archaeological Resources as NAS-PAX, care of Douglas Lister.

5) Protection and Maintenance of Harris Graveyard care of the family of John Ralph Abel and Becky McDonald.

6) St. Mary’s County Memorials Association for its construction of a Veterans Monument to veterans of World War II, Korea and View Nam in Leonardtown Square. Kirk Sterling, for his research and documentation work on the Veterans Plaque in Leonardtown Square

7) North End Gallery.

Individual Person Category

1) Tom Wisner for his life long efforts to document folkways of the Chesapeake Bay Region in song and story.

2) Maurine Holbert-Hogaboom, for lifelong work in preservation

Awards in 2001

1) The Crawford family donated the one-room schoolhouse in Drayden.

2) Christmas in April, in cooperation with DynCorp, St. Matthews Church, in the SMC Museum Division to make the Drayden School House safe from weather and secure from vandalism. Christmas in April also worked on the Point Lookout Lighthouse in 1997.

3) Martha Barnes Foundation in recognition for its efforts in preserving the Scotland School House.

4) Mr. and Mrs. Norton Dodge for the preservation of Cremona.

5) Dr. J. Roy Guyther for his latest book Memoir’s of a Country Doctor.

6) Dr. Andrea Hammer for being the driving force behind the significant publication of Slackwater, a journal dedicated to publishing edited oral histories of county residents.

7) Aleck Loker’s recent publication that canvassed the history of Leonardtown in a local effort to draw attention towards the historic significance of this important municipality.

Awards in 2000

1) Carver Elementary School – it was a big accomplishment for 5th graders who, with two teachers guiding them, and with the school’s encouragement and support, were able to put together two historic books with beautiful photos which are now available at the public library.

2) Fort Lincoln at Point Lookout project – reconstructing the buildings, captured what the buildings would have looked like in those times – prison walls, preserved earthworks and soldiers in full regalia.

3) Mr. Bowes – added to his home a kitchen reconstructed from what may have been a slave quarter since there were no windows to it – he moved walls – put in a fireplace from Redgate (only one of two in county) and a chimney.

4) Bushwood Grist Mill – one of only two still existing grist mills in the county.

Awards in 1999

1) Reference is made in the minutes to the “Cecil” award, which I assume had something to do with Cecil’s Mill – no information in the minutes.